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		<title>By: Kenric</title>
		<link>http://www.livelearninvest.com/not-really-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-102033</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably use the same, interspire.  Having trouble finding a niche or product to sell though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably use the same, interspire.  Having trouble finding a niche or product to sell though.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://www.livelearninvest.com/not-really-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-102017</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 01:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what platform are you planning to use for your new ebiz?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what platform are you planning to use for your new ebiz?</p>
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		<title>By: Calculating Solar Panels &#187; Live Learn Invest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calculating Solar Panels &#187; Live Learn Invest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post is based on Another Investor&#8217;s comments in the previous solar post about my green [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Another Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yeah, for comparison purposes my neighbor&#039;s house is two stories with around 2,650 square feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yeah, for comparison purposes my neighbor&#8217;s house is two stories with around 2,650 square feet.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The basis of the solar sales people&#039;s calculations is net metering.  SRP or APS  buys all the excess power you generate during the day (here in the Bay Area PG&amp;E buys power at the retail rate) and sells you power at night, when you cannot generate it.

My neighbor has a 9.8 kW solar system that has been in place for at least 5 years, maybe as long as 8 years.  Here in the Silicon Valley summer, it is sunny and hot in the afternoons, but cools off at night and stays cool until late morning or early afternoon.  The air conditioning load is low after 8 or 9 PM and does not pick up until noon.  

His roof surface faces about 30 degrees south of west, and he therefore does not generate full power all day.  Production is low during the early part of the day, but continues until the sun is close to setting.  Production is lower in the winter because of the sun angle, but I don&#039;t know by how much.

When his hot water heater had to be replaced, he switched from gas to electric.  Last time I asked, he was not going to replace his gas furnace with electric, so the house is heated with gas and heating costs are not part of the electric bill.

Because of the daily A/C cycle and the elimination of space heating from the electrical load, his electric bill is essentially zero.  On average, he is sending more power into the grid than he is consuming.

At the time he installed his system, the cost and the rebates were both a lot higher.  He financed the system with a HELOC.  Don&#039;t know how much he borrowed or what the payments are, but I think he spent around $30,000 net.  I suspect the HELOC payments might have been similar to the electric bill.  The installation contractor was back repairing problems several times the first year, and this spring a number of panels died and had to be replaced.  I have no idea what that cost was or who paid, as he said the panels were defective.

With net metering, no heating load, and the electrical usage pattern here, his is close to an ideal set up for solar.  I don&#039;t think you can replicate his results.  

First, your A/C load is full time during the summer months.  There is no time that the A/C is not running from late May through early October.  Second, if your home was built in the 70&#039;s or 80&#039;s, chances are you have electric heat.  Even if your panels face south, there are fewer hours of sunlight in the winter.  You use less heat than we do, but it&#039;s inefficient electrical resistance heating.  I don&#039;t see how you could on average put more power into the grid than you consume, unless you covered your roof with panels and doubled my neighbor&#039;s output.

I would love to see the projections the solar sales people used in their calculations.  The graph of production vs. usage would be especially informative, if they included that in their presentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The basis of the solar sales people&#8217;s calculations is net metering.  SRP or APS  buys all the excess power you generate during the day (here in the Bay Area PG&amp;E buys power at the retail rate) and sells you power at night, when you cannot generate it.</p>
<p>My neighbor has a 9.8 kW solar system that has been in place for at least 5 years, maybe as long as 8 years.  Here in the Silicon Valley summer, it is sunny and hot in the afternoons, but cools off at night and stays cool until late morning or early afternoon.  The air conditioning load is low after 8 or 9 PM and does not pick up until noon.  </p>
<p>His roof surface faces about 30 degrees south of west, and he therefore does not generate full power all day.  Production is low during the early part of the day, but continues until the sun is close to setting.  Production is lower in the winter because of the sun angle, but I don&#8217;t know by how much.</p>
<p>When his hot water heater had to be replaced, he switched from gas to electric.  Last time I asked, he was not going to replace his gas furnace with electric, so the house is heated with gas and heating costs are not part of the electric bill.</p>
<p>Because of the daily A/C cycle and the elimination of space heating from the electrical load, his electric bill is essentially zero.  On average, he is sending more power into the grid than he is consuming.</p>
<p>At the time he installed his system, the cost and the rebates were both a lot higher.  He financed the system with a HELOC.  Don&#8217;t know how much he borrowed or what the payments are, but I think he spent around $30,000 net.  I suspect the HELOC payments might have been similar to the electric bill.  The installation contractor was back repairing problems several times the first year, and this spring a number of panels died and had to be replaced.  I have no idea what that cost was or who paid, as he said the panels were defective.</p>
<p>With net metering, no heating load, and the electrical usage pattern here, his is close to an ideal set up for solar.  I don&#8217;t think you can replicate his results.  </p>
<p>First, your A/C load is full time during the summer months.  There is no time that the A/C is not running from late May through early October.  Second, if your home was built in the 70&#8242;s or 80&#8242;s, chances are you have electric heat.  Even if your panels face south, there are fewer hours of sunlight in the winter.  You use less heat than we do, but it&#8217;s inefficient electrical resistance heating.  I don&#8217;t see how you could on average put more power into the grid than you consume, unless you covered your roof with panels and doubled my neighbor&#8217;s output.</p>
<p>I would love to see the projections the solar sales people used in their calculations.  The graph of production vs. usage would be especially informative, if they included that in their presentation.</p>
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